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Church aims to "change" gays

27 Mar, 2009 05:02 PM
A RAMSGATE church has attracted national attention for its programs to guide people out of sexual "brokenness''.

Of most controversy is a program to help homosexuals overcome same-sex attraction.

But director of Living Waters ministries, Ron Brookman, said the controversy was misdirected.

Mr Brookman married his second wife, Ruth, in 1994, and the pair have three children. But he said he can recall being attracted to men from age five.

"I believe homosexuality is a tendency, not a tyranny,'' Mr Brookman said.

After successfully completing the program, Mr Brookman said he had not acted on homosexual impulses.

"I'm so thankful to God, and I want to proclaim his goodness, and give other people hope that change is possible,'' he said.

"The years I was gay were the worst of my life ... This is the happiest time of my life.''

A Sutherland Shire man, 40, who did not wish to be named, completed the Living Waters program and is now married with two children.

He said he was never content with his life as a homosexual man.

"The gay scene is known for its promiscuity and for its lack of commitment. There were days where I had more casual encounters than people have hot meals in a day,'' he said.

"But I dealt with depression, I felt suicidal, because the lifestyle I had conflicted with what I believed in my heart.''

Ben Gresham, 20, went to programs similar to Living Waters. But for him, they did more harm than good.

"I had really bad depression when I realised nothing was changing, and I started to self harm. Then I started to attempt suicide. I thought because I couldn't change, I needed to be punished.''

He was jolted out of his fixation with change when a fellow program member committed suicide.

Lloyd Jones, 24, was encouraged to embrace his homosexuality when his mother came out as a lesbian after experiencing many conversion programs, including Living Waters.

Despite their experiences, both Lloyd and Ben said they believed that people who ran conversion programs were only trying to do good.

STRAIGHT TALK

Living Waters began as part of Exodus International, an inter-denominational Christian organisation founded in 1976.

It came to Australia in 1972 to help homosexuals change their sexual orientation.

Using Christian counselling and prayer, it is a six-month program that encourages people to confess homosexual acts or impulses and pray for healing.

For some time it was offered as a referral service from Hillsong Church, but this is no longer the case.

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Okay.. I will concede that these people probably think they are doing the right thing. But, lots of people think they're doing the right thing, when all they are really doing, is contributing to the problem. Most people who effectively "Change" their sexuality, are merely bisexual. Notice one of the persons in question said he recalled being attracted to men from age five. He never once is quoted as saying that he wasn't also attracted to women. Someone who is completely homosexual, will NEVER feel attracted to someone of the opposite sex. They are not wired that way. And to attempt to change that, and to convince these people that they are somehow rebelling against god by simply being who god made them, is invariably going to lead many into depression, and suicide. especially if they are already people of faith.
Posted by Gabarus, 19/03/2009 7:16:33 AM
Ever notice how a woman'll powder her nose before a party starts, and the powder it again when the party's over? Why powder your nose just to go home to bed?
Posted by Jack Twist, 19/03/2009 11:37:26 AM
I am a member of Ron and Ruth's church. I also did Living Waters in 2007 with a man who is now my husband. We have both personally benefited from that as well as some of the other ministries they provide. I would like to thank the journalist for the balance and non-subjective nature of her article (perhaps except for the headline!) I would also like to address two comments (and many more to come i'm sure) in light of the last article by Katrina Fox and in light of people's general opinions on the hot topic of sexuality and the ministry our church provides. I, personally, have witnessed and experienced spiritual abuse and deception by by ministries, individuals and organisations. And i will very strongly testify that this church, it's ministry nor it's leaders are among them. Furthermore, it is because of the ministry provided by Ron and our church that i have been able to experience healing from the aforementioned experiences. My husband and I have known Ron and his family long enough to know he is a man of great integrity. I believe with all my heart that Ron is not deceived nor lying when he says he used to be a gay man and is now heterosexual and enjoys his life now with his wife and family. I see the evidence of this each time i see him and his wife and family together. As for the topic of sexuality and the Christian theological stance, i am sure this will continue to be an emotive and controversial topic for many. Whilst I can see why the conviction of most Christians around sexuality would upset some people, it is fair to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, convictions and choices. I will continue enjoying that freedom
Posted by Sarah, 19/03/2009 4:15:16 PM
You can certainly choose whether or no to have sex... but you have no say on the matter over what you find sexually stimulating. The problem Christians have with homosexuality is a difference in opinion over morals. I actually don't mind a bit of fornicating every now and again. It's good for my prostate.
Posted by spanky, 19/03/2009 4:17:43 PM
Actually i find this article quite interesting. I especially love the Unidentified Shire man, 40, who stated that "The gay scene is known for its promiscuity and for its lack of commitment". I wonder where they found this "guy". For the record, i'm gay and have lived in a succesful and committed relationship with my partner for over three years, living a homey domestic sort of life. And i have friends that have been with their same sex partners for longer, some over 40 years!! I beleive that if people really feel that their sexuality is a problem, then they should do what they may, to feel better about their lifestyle. Even thought i dont agree with the religious bent many people take. My argument is with this man from the shire who presumes too much. Who do you think you are with the writ to condemn the Gay comunity to a life of "Promiscuity and lack of commitment" And as for his comment "more casual encounters than hot meals" i find that laughable. Oh no im gay, therefore by requisite i must sleep with as many people as i can. How can he justify being a slut because he was attracted to men? If you ask me this "guy" sounds like an invention, and i would like to ask the reporter Alice Wood to either screen her "sources" better or leave the fictional characters to the novelist.
Posted by Incouragable, 19/03/2009 4:28:19 PM
Ron and Ruth with their misguided goodwill will do nothing but engender resentment and anger towards them and their church.

I am a Christian and our late son (who was murdered) was gay.

I have had said to me by gay clients that they would not choose their lifestyle, but what they are is what they are and they are proud of it (and proud Christians as well).

Our late son is not able to respond to defend his position but I must say that the fact that he was gay changed NOTHING in any of our lives nor the way any of his TRUE friends related to him.

Just because some people are different from the majority doesn't mean they have to be coerced to conform to some abritrary norm - funy thing that, isn't that how teachers regarded left handers 40 years ago.

Posted by Saddened, 19/03/2009 5:48:21 PM
I think we need some programs to cure people of heterosexuality if this is the type of hate speech it brings out in them. Keep your bias off my gender, Brookman.
Posted by Lesbian Woman, 19/03/2009 6:15:51 PM
Bless the church for tackling the 'tough' issues of the world.
Posted by warren, 19/03/2009 8:40:17 PM
I'm very disgruntled at this because i don't understand why it matters at all about there sexuality it doesn't change the person in my eyes in any way mean or form they are humans, i most certainly agree with the comment above. this Promiscuity and lack of commitment he speaks of happens in both sides its is just how a person handles their relationships, nothing more. but i question how can a gay couple show their commitment when they cannot wed, its damn near impossible to adopt or show affection in public because close-minded people abuse them (both physically, mentally and verbally), outcast them its sickening that people are so arrogant and misled to believe that who some one falls in love with makes such a huge difference to how they interact with that person GROW UP
Posted by Blair, 19/03/2009 11:14:25 PM
Incouragable: Thank you for your comment. The man in question asked to have his name supressed because of the sensitive nature of the article, and the fact some people in his life are not aware of his association with the ministry. We acceded because his story is valid and worthy of discussion. No source in the article was fictional.
Posted by Leader moderator, 20/03/2009 9:16:12 AM
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New leaf: Ron and Ruth Brookman have a ministry to  guide people out of sexual brokenness''. Picture: Chris Lane
New leaf: Ron and Ruth Brookman have a ministry to guide people out of "sexual brokenness''. Picture: Chris Lane

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