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Churches revolt over pilot ethics classes in primary schools

15 Apr, 2010 12:22 PM
A CONTROVERSIAL ethics program will begin its trial run in the classroom when students return from school holidays next week.

Year 5 and 6 pupils from Hurstville Public School will join nine other NSW primary schools to test the new 10-week course.

The ethics-based course aims to give children who opt out of scripture classes a secular option and will cover topics including respect, bullying, animal rights and questions about life and death.

Approved by the state government last November, it was designed by a philosophy professor from the University of NSW and is jointly organised by St James Ethics Centre and the Federation of Parents and Citizens' Association of NSW.

Present education policy prohibits non-scripture students from any formal learning during scripture time.

Executive director of the St James Ethics Centre, Simon Longstaff, said the policy reflected a 19th century agreement between church and the state and was in need of reform.

"Society is changing and in some schools anywhere from 50 to 80 per cent of students elect not to go to scripture and sit idle during this time ... wasting time, watching videos, colouring-in or doing their homework instead,'' Dr Longstaff said.

"We hope the pilot, which will be independently evaluated, will be a stepping-stone to change current policy to give all children an opportunity to do something meaningful during this time (such as) learning about moral dilemmas life can throw up at them.''

Volunteers, including parents and teachers, participated in a two-day training course last term in preparation for the trial

Catholic Church representatives, who have been in talks with the Department of Education and Training about the course, said the ethics classes could jeopardise the future of religious education in schools if adopted permanently.

St George's Anglican Church, Hursvtille, minister Allan Beaven, said he has concerns about the content of the course and questions the way it had been introduced.

"My concern is the Minister for Education had given assurance the course would be offered only to children whose parents had not nominated their child to attend special religious education,'' Mr Beaven said.

"That is now not the case. Also, many of the classroom teachers teach ethical content every day.

"(But), if an additional ethics course is so necessary and important, then it should be one which has a had wider input than from just one ethical brand and can be made available at a time when all children can participate, not just those whose parents have chosen ethics over religious education.''

Should the state government introduce ethics classes into NSW primary schools? Have your say or vote in our online poll.

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Not before time - religions don't have a monopoly on ethics. Religious education needs to be removed from schools and taught as part of a "myth, legend and folktales" type of subject.
Posted by Anthony, 15/04/2010 2:41:35 PM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
Given the Catholic Church's long record of child abuse, I can't believe they let any of their representatives on school grounds at all.
Posted by Dan, 15/04/2010 3:34:50 PM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
Scripture has been taught in our public schools for over a hundred years. As someone who benefited from these classes it is very sad to see the State Government trying to weaken SRE. I can't see why the ethics classes have to be run at the same time as SRE. If they put the two classes on at different times then all students would benefit.
Posted by Shaun, 16/04/2010 9:05:31 AM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
Your poll question is pretty useless. The results will have no validity for anything. No one is opposing the value of appropriate ethical training for students. The questions are about what sort of ethics (every different world-view produces different ethical outcomes), the ethics pilot is not identifying what type of ethics they are encouraging, while claiming not to teach particular views or to make young people more ethical (research shows that ethical reasoning capacity bears little relation to ethical behaviour anyway) and the way the ethics pilot has been introduced is very ideologically political. While the SJEC says they are not seeking to replace SRE in any way members of the P&C Federation Executive (as distinct for the majority of parents from past surveys) are certainly committed to eliminating any religious content or expression from public education. The real drivers of this are the very left wing secular humanist executive of the P&C Federation (the SJEC is just a provider of a service who may have less intolerant motives) and members of the left wing of the NSW Labor party like Verity Firth and Nathan Rees.
Posted by Robbo, 16/04/2010 11:59:04 AM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
Robbo there has been no indication of either a "left" or "right" wing ideological stance - it is a consideration of some ethical issues at a primary school level, without a religious overtone - for example, based on mutual obligation. Perhaps you have assumed it will be left-wing because of your particular fears. If there are concerns about the content, then the parents of participating students can bring this up themselves - you don't have to deny them a choice. Religious parents have enjoyed SRE without interference for decades and will continue to do so. Has it occurred to you that non-religious parents may not have wanted the child-minding session that before was the only alternative for THEIR child? I am shocked at the lack of democracy and lack of respect for other views contained in some of the objections. In fact perhaps a non-religious ethics class is sorely needed!
Posted by anne, 17/04/2010 12:33:25 AM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
Given our 200 year plus abuse of the world's oldest people according to education we are becoming increasingly isolated in our thinking. Now indigenous people speak to each other in a foreign tongue because our non-Christian context here has made sure their language has disappeared in only 200 years. Now the Church was involved to as it had to conform to the context that was already here before Christianity arrived in any force. They voted with their deafening silence for 200 years on racial matters. So what has secular education bought to the indigenous situation? Well, nothing because their languages had gone and so their identity has also gone. In NZ they made the Maori language compulsory in all colleges there in 1973. So even the Chinese news reporter on TV there will greet you with a , "kia ora", hello, and when he or she finishes they will say, "kei konei ra", good bye. No such luck for the indigenous who couldn't even vote in 1973. Now secularism gave us this history aided by a Church stooped in dark ages theology and heavily influenced by Renaissance thought. The Church shouldn't bother about these blind humanist moves. We need to get ready to fix the mess soon.
Posted by Hona, 18/04/2010 12:52:09 PM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
Why on earth would you kick up a stink about such a benign and appropriate thing for our kids? If the Church is worried about bleeding it should make itself relevant. Entrenching this pilot woul one of the most positive things this government has done.
Posted by Olive, 23/04/2010 5:35:51 AM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
Contrary to what Mr Beaven assumes, Anglican scripture teachers have no 'rights of ownership' over the children who are currently attending their classes. Just because, in the absence of any non-religious alternative, children may prefer to sit in a comfortable classroom with a chair and desk, as opposed to sprawling on the floor of a draughty assembly hall (which is what my children had to do), does not mean they have any unbreakable commitment to Anglican scripture classes! The point that the P&C is making is that it is not fair that the only alternative to attending a scripture class is doing nothing! The ethics classes are offered at the same time as religious classes to address this unfairness. They are a secular complement to the religious-based ethics that are taught in scripture classes. Every child, whether they've previously attended scripture or not, has the right to be offered these classes!
Posted by Linda, 23/04/2010 9:26:49 AM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
I think it is a very good idea to teach ethics. But the problem I have with it is what is the reference point. I realise that in today's education, everything is personal and it's OK if it feels good for me. This however is intensly selfish and disruptive to society. However if we can take absolute truth and our central point the unchanging God, not a church or a creed. Then we have a norm and a reason for behaving in a way thjat works best for society and ultimately for the individual. Ethics can certainly be one part of the Scripture syllabus. The other problem is we are all selfish by nature and so often cannpt even be as good as we want to be. Only God can give us the strength to do the right thing. So without Him we cannot change.
Posted by Margery, 23/04/2010 4:51:00 PM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
I strongly support the trial of ethics classes. Currently, children who do not attend SRE classes are obliged to spend their time without being educated in any way (my children watch children's television shows such as Lilo and Stitch). Surely this is discriminatory. The ethics classes offer a meaningful option for children who do not attend SRE.
Posted by Catherine, 23/04/2010 9:04:35 PM, on St George & Sutherland Shire Leader
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Reform needed: Executive director of the St James Ethics Centre, Simon Longstaff. Picture: Domino Postilgione
Reform needed: Executive director of the St James Ethics Centre, Simon Longstaff. Picture: Domino Postilgione
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